Kappacino i see you quoted me so I assume you are addressing me with your comment. I'll address you with a question "You think I don't know all this?. I merely having my jolly with AAkoven myself. Next part of the story is when AAkoven PM's me sayin "what u moderator talking bad vendors?ho s that good?" IDK I've never dealt with AAkoven, never tried a product but that's because I've been lucky enough to never have to try AA Koven as a vendor. Every vendor has good/bad post about them. All and all it's just another brick in the wall. nomad